Listen Before You Buy Weighs In On The #MusicBlogging Debate

If you follow me on Twitter then you may have seen me take part in a music blogging debate that was going down on Thursday afternoon.  My $0.57 of input were thus:

So apparently I’ve missed the whole #musicblogging debate, but here’s my $0.57….do it because you enjoy it, not for money or popularity.

And:

Now that this #musicblogging debate is done; tickle fight!

I figured I’d weigh in with a slightly more thought-out response because as it was happening there were about 126 people all talking at once.  It was like an improv-jazz after-school club but instead of people getting down with some porn-sax or pithy clarinet solos, they were all just tweeting.  At the same time. Naturally a lot was lost in the noise, and whilst I have almost no voice in any kind of music-blogging circle, here’s where I stand regardless.

Do it because you enjoy it, not for money or popularity.  If you started a music site or blog to become popular, or to get hits, then that’s fine.  But don’t bitch when your only source of virtual income (read hypem) is taken away from you or diminished.  People who run this kind of site I can only see lasting maybe a year or so because when the hits go low, they’ll lose any desire to keep it going.

If you started your site to make the monies, then you’ve wasted your time.  I’ve only been in this ruthless cutthroat game for less than a year but I can already tell how to make money from it, where to make money from it, how long it’s going to take and how it’ll happen (and I currently spend almost $50 a month to run the site and get $15 back if I’m lucky).  It’ll take years, so if you want to make money from a music blog, or doing what we do on these sites, give up and get a job as a journalist or critic.

The Hype Machine recently changed the way their machine works and some people have been raging against that (see what I did there?), me being one of them.  It’ll encourage sites to try to be first to post something now and discourage people (the ones who care about hits) from posting something that’s already been posted because they won’t get the hits from it.  There’s also less variety on the Popular charts, but I rarely visited that anyway so I don’t really care.  Traffic from The Hype Machine is nice, don’t get me wrong, but it took me five months to get accepted onto it and it didn’t change the way I posted to the site.  When I started the site I didn’t even know about the traffic it could bring, and even if it doesn’t give me a single hit between now and purple, I don’t really give a shit.  I honestly couldn’t care less, because I’m not doing this for the hits or for the money.  To me, it’s about the content.  It’s about the discovery and subsequent sharing of music.

Sites like We Listen For You or Knox Road or I Guess I’m Floating are doing it right.  They all average roughly six or seven posts per week, but when they do post you can guarantee that there’s not only something exquisite being said, but the quality control is unmatched.  Constantly good music, well-written posts, and knowledgeable writers.  They’ve been doing it for years the same way and it’s why their readers trust them.  They don’t ask for money, or complain when the hits don’t come (WLFY isn’t even on hypem), they just do it because they enjoy it.  If they post, I listen. Every time.

I’m insanely optimistic about Listen Before You Buy, the future as I see it for the site is extremely bright.  I have so many ideas for the site and how to grow, how to connect, how to discover, share, communicate and listen that there’s no way I can fail.  My plans are big, and if it costs me $50 a month for the next five years without making a penny back, you better fucking believe I’m gonna do that (and you still won’t see ads on here, I refuse).

One of the greatest things about music is sharing it..  With a site/blog, you don’t get to see someone’s reaction as they hit play on a song and are blown away by a new band that you just  posted on your site for the first time, but you know it happens.  You know they’ve then told someone else about them and have then gone and bought their music and it’s all down to you sharing it.  Nathaniel from IGIF above turned me onto Glasser.  I fell in love, bought her vinyls, told a buddy at work about her who in turn also fell in love and told his friends about her, and they probably did the same.

All from a tweet.  All from sharing music. All from enjoying something so much that he had to tell someone else about it.  And that’s why we do this, to spread the word about good music in a piss stream of media that’s otherwise dominated by frozen, pre-packaged meals of factory-made shite.

Just share the music you like, and enjoy doing it.

If music be the food of love, play on,
Give me excess of it; that surfeiting,
The appetite may sicken, and so die.

I’m guessing if you’re still on the page at this point it’s because of that picture up there, right?  Yeah me too.

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  • http://www.justmusicthatilike.com Leigh

    Pretty much spot on. 95% of that is what I would I have written on the subject.

    My site costs be about £20/30 a month and I don’t earn a penny from it but I keep doing it in my spare time because I enjoy it, enjoy listening to new music, hearing new music and it is a great feeling getting an email from someone thanking you / a band thanking you.

    That’s my motivation and that of most other people I know who do the same.

    • http://www.listenbeforeyoubuy.net Frank

      It is great when you get people thanking you for either posting their music or for posting something that they liked. It makes it all worthwhile.

  • http://ridethetempo.com Tiana

    this post gave me goosebumps, but I agree and you won’t be seeing ads on Ride the Tempo anytime soon. We’re also not on Hypem, but doing well. You’re right, I’d rather do well doing posts about music I love than striving to post popular stuff I’m not passionate first and breaking my site/having to pay $100 to host something I’m not passionate about. That sounds more like how blogs break.

    How do you afford $50 a month?? Are you secretly a pimp ;)

    • http://www.listenbeforeyoubuy.net Frank

      Shhh. ;)

      I shouldn’t even be paying that much to run it, I can’t really afford it but it’s worth it to me and I know eventually I’ll recoup it. Besides, the amount of free vinyl I’ve been sent almost evens it out.

  • http://looselipsmusic.com Mikayla

    amen.

  • http://www.ohsofreshmusic.blogspot.com Todd

    I am only going on 2 months old and I am not on Hype either. I hate that “post to the be the first concept.” I decided to post new and old stuff. You might see “oh hey this band as a new song check it”, but you might also see an artist profile on a band thats been around for 10 years that I like and want others to read.

    Granted I do like getting hits (and for 2 momths Im doing pretty well), but I enjoy music and posting what I love. I dont have time to stare and race others.

    Great article and response to the twitter debate, this is why you are likeable and are sure to have success with your blog: No Bullshit :) (.)(.) <—-tehe

    • http://www.listenbeforeyoubuy.net Frank

      I see what you did there. ;)

      Thanks for the kind words, Todd. If you do decide to go for Hypem, just keep doing what you’re and don’t obsess over the hits. You’ve got a good thing going with OSF.

  • http://freersounds.com Jon Freer

    “All from enjoying something so much that he had to tell someone else about it. And that’s why we do this, to spread the word about good music in a piss stream of media that’s otherwise dominated by frozen, pre-packaged meals of factory-made shite.”

    Glad to hear there’s people out there on the same wavelength as me. I’ve been writing about music since the mid 90s (reviewing/blogging etc) and this has always been the driving force behind it :)

  • http://www.sfcritic.com SFCritic

    Frank-

    Very well said. While I do have a hope to make money from my website, and while I’ll admit I’m one of those bloggers disappointed by HypeM’s changes (accordingly), I still adhere to the belief of quality over quantity and passion over greed.

    My original discussion was thwarted to some extent by the weighing issue of legitimacy and profit. Many think that if you wish to make profit on your blog you’re selling out, and no longer legitimate. Funny, this is often the case with musicians as well, and art in general.

    At heart–I wanted to address the concerns of the culture of blogging, which i think at some level this discussion has fruitfully provoked. Repeatedly it has been stated that quality posts, with content, versus abbreviated posts with only Mp3s, are preferable. While some bloggers continue to hide behind the visage that they do this for passion instead of fame (or $), I feel like many truly do believe that.

    Hopefully, as the times continue to change with the scrutiny of bloggers both internally (among readers/and other bloggers) and externally (government) we can, as we have, stand together and support and aid each other in our efforts to continue our passions.

    -David

    • http://www.listenbeforeyoubuy.net Frank

      In regards to government and such, I see bloggers being completely unaffected by the government (at least the ones like us who don’t just post mediashare files to albums). All of those sites that were shut down were (as far as I know) file sharing sites and that’s not how the majority of us roll.

      What scares me is the “blogging tax” that was proposed in Ireland and a few other places. That I can see happening, but government shutting down blogs for posting a song they weren’t allowed is unlikely.

      The more crowded this space gets, the more creativity and original thinking will shine in order to standout. I’m excited by it.

  • Mr HBF

    Not sure I understand your argument ? If you want to make money that’s fine, but dont blame hype machine, if all traffic comes from there you doing something wrong HBF it only 15 % google is first at 20% I haven’t seen a decline since the changes.

    • http://www.listenbeforeyoubuy.net Frank

      That’s exactly what I’m saying. If you want to make money from your site then relying on one source that could change how they work and potentially screw you out of money, then you ARE doing something wrong.